I’ve written about THIS more than once in the past…and once again I am confounded at how some in the craft beer “community” feel the need to rate, score, grade or otherwise rank beer. How something as subjective as the taste of craft beer or the portfolio of beers that a craft brewer chooses to brew merits a rating by anyone, embarrasses me as a craft beer lover. And what is perhaps even worse, is that this sort of site or thread somehow attracts the very people who purport to love or support craft beer…all too eager to lend their expertise and ratings to a discussion of the “Most Overrated Brewery?”
Once again I will ask why we must rate beer? Once again I will ask, how this is helping anyone? Does anyone think a craft brewer will be encouraged to be experimental, when some dope decides to slam his creativity in a highly public forum? Does anyone think some poor craft beer beginner may miss out on a beer they may love, because some schmuck gives it a D- on-line? I can only hope that at some point we as a community begin to reject this sort of behavior and get back to enjoying craft beer and encouraging others to join us. It’s time WE all decide to simply support our local & national craft brewers, abandon this sort of site, thread and behavior….and “Respect Beer.”
No way will I link or even mention the site…but I thought you’d want to read Dogfish Head’s Sam Calagione’s response to the thread…
It's pretty depressing to frequently visit this site and see the most negative threads among the most popular. This didn't happen much ten years ago when craft beer had something like a 3 percent market share. Flash forward to today, and true indie craft beer now has a still-tiny but growing marketshare of just over 5 percent. Yet so many folks that post here still spend their time knocking down breweries that dare to grow. It's like that old joke: "Nobody eats at that restaurant anymore, it's too crowded.” Except the "restaurants" that people shit on here aren't exactly juggernauts. In fact, aside from Boston Beer, none of them have anything even close to half of one percent marketshare. The more that retailers, distributors, and large industrial brewers consolidate the more fragile the current growth momentum of the craft segment becomes. The more often the Beer Advocate community becomes a soap box for outing breweries for daring to grow beyond its insider ranks the more it will be marginalized in the movement to support, promote, and protect independent ,American, craft breweries.
It's interesting how many posts that refer to Dogfish being over-rated include a caveat like "except for Palo...except for Immort...etc." We all have different palettes which is why it's a great thing that there are so many different beers. At Dogfish we've been focused on making "weird" beers since we opened and have taken our lumps for being stylistically indifferent since day one. I bet a lot of folks agree that beers like Punkin Ale (since 1995) , Immort Ale (wood aged smoked beer) since 1995, Chicory Stout (coffee stout) since 1995 , Raison D'être (Belgian brown) since 1996, , Indian Brown Ale (dark IPA) since 1997, and 90 Minute (DIPA) since 2000 don't seem very weird anymore. That’s in large part because so many people who have been part of this community over the years championed them and helped us put them on the map.These beers, and all of our more recent releases like Palo Santo, Burton Baton, Bitches Brew continue to grow every year. We could have taken the easy way out and just sold the bejeezus out of 60 Minute to grow but we like to experiment and create and follow our own muse. Obviously there is an audience that appreciates this as we continue to grow. We put no more "hype" or "expert marketing" behind our best selling beers than we do our occasionals. We only advertise in a few beer magazines and my wife Mariah oversees all of our twitter/Facebook/dogfish.com stuff. We have mostly grown by just sharing our beer with people who are into it (at our pub, great beer bars, beer dinners, and fests) and let them decide for themselves if they like it. If they do we hope they tell their friends about. We hope a bunch of you that are going to EBF will stop by our booth and try some of the very unique new beers we are proudly bringing to market like Tweason'ale (a champagne-esque, gluten-free beer fermented with buckwheat honey and strawberries) and Noble Rot (a sort of saison brewed with Botrytis-infected Viognier Grape must). One of these beers is on the sweeter side and one is more sour. Knowing each of your palettes is unique you will probably prefer one over the other. That doesn't mean the one you didn't prefer sucked. And the breweries you don't prefer but are growing don't suck either. Respect Beer.
The below was my favorite post thus far.
This thread is hilarious. Seriously, Bells, Founders, FFF, Surly, RR, DFH, Bruery, Avery, Cigar City, Mikkeller are all overrated?
Since I'm from Ohio, I'll pile on and add Great Lakes, Hoppin Frog, and Brew Kettle to the list. Your welcome.
Hopefully soon we will have every craft brewery in the US on the list.
Not a Beer Advocate fan?
ReplyDeleteI'm a fan of craft beer.
ReplyDeleteI've given up on the BS that goes on that site. It's all about profit not promoting good beer.
ReplyDeleteAll they do is fight out there anyway. And you didn't even mention that people rate beers poorly to drive down their trade value. Check out how many people on the west coast rate an east coast beer poorly, yet list that same beer in their "wants" BA has become polluted.
ReplyDeleteLets rank the most overrated beer sites! Or maybe rate the people rating our craft beer. Terrible!
ReplyDeleteIf you've ever heard the term "jumped the shark" you'll understand my opinion of sites like BA & RB.
ReplyDeleteWay to go Sam. I'm deleting my user ID and leaving them forever. This is the thread that broke my back.
ReplyDeleteBA has become the National Enquirer of beer web sites. If that's the audience they want, then they can have it. Goodbye BA.
ReplyDeleteI agree...I'm out too. I quit.
ReplyDeleteI will continue to drink and support the many fine products that Dogfish Head and their Brethern produce.I experiment as much as calorically and financially possible in sampling the myriad of flavors and styles,forming my own opinion of what I like.I avoid the "Opinion Formers" who choose to tell what I should like and why I should like it like the Plague!
ReplyDeleteCheers to that Anon!
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